How To kill an elite?

[Violet]

I was reading Charby...spacifically the one where Zarlock has to explain everything to Charby's "leftovers"
And I was thinking Couldn't a Succubus kill one since they do eat the so called spritual part that they use when there physical body gets destroyed in other word's the actual soul. Dat just might be there weekness...but of course I would have to cunsult Amelius.

Edit: I onlt made this conection cuz I've got a Charater who is one.

Edited by Ryodragon1 for double postyness. Kindly use the "Modify" button next time ^_^

[Awakened]

Good question, and one which I have given some thought to. So far only special 'Chosen' weapons can kill an Elite and the Vamp King has been searching for an alternate means if I am understanding the conversations he's had about the Elite's right. There may be some sort of alternate route but it simply hasn't been brought up yet in the story. I would think that doing something which could effect the soul would do it. Perhaps utterly destroying their bodies and then quickly performing some sort of exorcism.

[Violet]

But if the Vamp king wanted to take the short rout a Succubus would be the best way since they just lull you into a false sence of sucurity and suck out your soul, hence they wouldn't even need to destroy the body...Very bad for the elites

[Milky the Man]

Some how, I think that the Spirit Thingys would be to smart to be sucked up by a succubus.

[Violet]

But How do you expect them to get away?

[Shippo_no_Neko]

But the elite's soul would just pop out of the succubus' stomach. And make a new body. And pwn her.

[Violet]

i don't think that would work...I mean a Succubus is probiby as magical as any Vampire or elite there is probiby a barrier that keep there dinner from escapeing or else they would go hungry, now wouldn't they?

[Violet]

hello?

[Shippo_no_Neko]

I believe that Elite sould are quite a bit different from human souls, mm? And I find it hard to believe that someone like, say, Zerlocke would be hypnotised by a succubus' beauty long enough to get his soul stolen-- or at all.

[Violet]

I don't know...If the Succubus dresses up a Mye or sometin' them he might have a problem...he might figuer it out thou...I don't think he imcapeible of being out smarted...nor Charby or any other of the elites

[Rehiro]

I think the spiritual form is different from a soul. Its more like a secondary body I think. Even if they did get eaten, they could probably just overpower the succubus from the inside. I asked a question about what would happen if an Elite ate an Elite and it turns out that the stronger Elite will take control of the body. It would probably turn into a power struggle inside the body for control and I doubt the strongest succubus could take out the weakest Elite.

I wonder if there even are succubi in the Charbyverse.

[Shippo_no_Neko]

Well, I think that Zerlocke is much brighter than he seems (when he's infatuated). And he would see through the Mye-dress-up thing in a second. Unless it was an illusion. But he would know by the personality...

[Rehiro]

Naw, he'd take one look and just know. 'Cause hes so in love.

And he would never cheat on Mye, even though they're not together.

[Amelius]

oo, I think I discussed this one a looong time ago before the site went kablooey!
An elite's soul really isn't so much of a "soul" but it's like, well...oh hard to explain, but it is a pretty evasive thing in regards to self-preservation. It really doesn't even exist on the same plane, technically, until it is needed anyway, it has to be pulled into the body first. It only does so when it is needed, say for example it needs to regenerate a lopped off toe or something, then it borrows parts of it's "spirit" to come through and collect the energy and bring it back. But then energy in this soul-like entity is quite massive and powerful...if a succubus tried to suck this out if the opportunity ever became, quite literally their head would explode off its shoulders, since it would be like filling a kiddie wading pool with a firehose. But the best they could do is drain the energy from the incarnate body, which in comparison to the actual "soul", is very little energy indeed.
And yep, unless it was covering up reaaaallly good, Zerlocke could see through about any facade. There's more to Mye that he likes than he lets on...and Adria noticed it too.

oh yeah and I should mention, today's update has one that explains a bit more indepth.
And with utmost posivity 'll say the only person who can kill an elite right now, is Zeno.

[Violet]

Well i guess that puts that to rest...Sorry if I seemed pushy...

[Amelius]

Oh no, you didn't seem pushy at all! A perfectly reasonable question, I can see why you would want to know about that ^_^

[Daggertooth]

So is there a way to target the soul directly? Sure it is not the "same" as other souls but it can be attacked can't it? I mean if something were to try to banish the soul...like dimensionaly separating them or something?

Daggertooth

[Shippo_no_Neko]

I guess you would need a magical weapon of elite soul-killyness.

[Violet]

woooo like zeno scyth...i seeee i seeeeeee!!!!

[Milky the Man]

Well, the Staff of Oswego, and Zerlocke's axe, and the other chosen weapons CAN kill elites, right?

[Scardy G.]

Zerlocke attacked Adria with the ax, but it didn't actually kill her.

[Violet]

Zeno's scyth isn't one of the chosen wepons though...its the ban bada bum! The Scyth in the Stone! well it's not a Vampieric one i think...kinda...uhhh Amelius?

[Awakened]

milknut said:

Well, the Staff of Oswego, and Zerlocke's axe, and the other chosen weapons CAN kill elites, right?

I think it has the power to reduce them to the power level of a mortal temporarily making them mortal enough to die.

[Awakened]

scardy said:

Zerlocke attacked Adria with the ax, but it didn't actually kill her.

Thats because he didn't mortally wound her with it. If he had chopped her to pieces with that axe then she would be as dead as a dog.

violet said:

Zeno's scyth isn't one of the chosen wepons though...its the ban bada bum! The Scyth in the Stone! well it's not a Vampieric one i think...kinda...uhhh Amelius?

I think its one of the chosen weapons BUT despite it having the hallmark power of a Chosen Weapon (it reduces an Elite to a mortal level of power, thus making them able to die) it is wierd compared to the other two. It doesn't need any words of activation and it affects the wielder in varying degrees rather than completely warping them. The most important part that I have noticed and the part that makes me sure that this is going to get expounded upon is that Zeno doesn't actually have to toucht he scythe to draw power from it. Notice how he can power up like Charby but unlike Charby who needs to be actually holding his staff and saying words of power Zeno can go Super Saijin just by thinking about it with out even being near his weapon. This is a double edged sword though as the scythe also apparently can start screwing around with his head with out Zeno touching it, thus leaving him no defense.

[Scardy G.]

But even Cyril, who still has that sword stuck in his chest isn't truly dead, just stuck outside of it.
And while Elite weapons have the ability to weaken other elites, they haven't killed a single one yet. The only thing that's even gotten close was Zeno's scythe.

On the double-edged sword riff... that's true for the elite weapons too. These weapons seem to hold the key tocompletely messing a person up.

[Awakened]

Oh, they are all double edged swords alright but Zeno's is the only one that will mess with him even when he isn't holding it and hasn't activated it. Charby can just not use his staff, not say the words, keep it locked up in the closet, and he is in no danger. Zeno, or so I get the impression, can be stricken at any time anywhere with the things dark desires. But like I said, he can also draw energy from the scythe at anytime, anywhere, even if it is no where near him, so that needs to be taken into consideration as well when weighing its worth.

And the sword that stabbed Cyril wasn't activated. The sword didn't belong to the vampire king and wasn't turned on, it was just dormant at the time, so it was only a hunk of cold alien metal driven into his heart. The sword wasn't being wielded by one of the chosen, and even if it had been it certainly didn't first drain Cyril of his supernatural energies just before being driven into him. If Cyril had been first reduced to the strength and supernatural energy of a human before the sword struck him I think he almost certainly would have died.

[Amelius]

Without giving too much away, I'll say that for now Zeno's scythe does have a surefire way to kill an elite, which is the fact that as it draws the Elite's power out of its body, the elite's spirit is wont to draw down to the body to try and recover energy that it is losing. When it attacks, all of that power comes rushing back and basically "floods" the body and the spirit, pretty much exploding it with its own powers.
It's kinda like lighting a match over a trail of gasoline, when it gets to the tank it will blow up.
Zeno very well could have killed Zerlocke at that point he was attacking, if he had hit him right in the heart, which is like a pipeline of sorts to his energy source.
The chosen weapons do have a similar effect, but they work a different way. As they do weaken their enemy, it doesn't use their own power against them, more or less it just collects that energy and gives it to the holder of the weapon, while the weakened enemy can be dispatched by a hit to the heart...and the energy and spirit of that elite will end up locked inside the weapon as a result.
So it goes,
Scythe: sucks in energy then obliterates it completely.
Chosen weapon: Sucks in energy until there is nothing left of the elite, gives energy cache to weapon master. Elite is now normal like mortal and cutting out the heart or damaging it prevents what little energy is left from reforming.

And righto about the sword stuck in Cyril, Rodericke could use the weapon against him but not enough to kill him because he was not the master. It's still unclear just who that sword could really belong to, and the elites are very interested in finding out.
If Roddy had just tried to chop off his head or just thrust the sword in and pulled it out, then Cyril would still be active and we would not have heard of Rodericke ^_^

[Awakened]

Wow, neat! Thanks so much for the clarification Amelius. You have really put a lot of thought into making this story, this is really great writing.

[Scardy G.]

That totally explains a lot.
You would of saved us a lot of speculation if you'd said so earlier, or do you just like listening to us try to figure it out?

[Violet]

Woooo Amelius' expanations are very informitive...*ditches all sign of intelagence* shiny wepon do big hurty hurt!!!!!