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Victor
Aug 1, 2009 22:56:04 GMT -5
Post by doodlesthebear on Aug 1, 2009 22:56:04 GMT -5
This is a thread about Victor. Mostly, I would say, about his heritage. I'm using this as a chance to divulge my crazy fan theory regarding Vic's lineage and possible 'supernatural' powers.
My theory has varying forms of convoluted-ness, but it all revolves around Vic's grandma. In the most intricate version, I tend to believe that she married/had a relationship with a vampire. More specifically, Charby's former captain, who I think became a vampire when Charby drank his blood (quite messily, too). This theory is supported by several different odd instances in the comics. Charby mentions Vic 'seeming familiar' and feeling curious about him. Vic also happens to look shockingly simliar to the captain, down to the scar (though that might be coincidence). Victor has also mentioned being stalked by monsters in his youth, possibly attracted by his vampiric genes. He has been shown accomplishing impossible feats, such as smashing a vampire's head. It could also explain why he was able to survive a werewolf attack without wolfing out, as his blood is already a quater vampire.
Aside from Victor, we have his brother (Hector, I think his name is?). In his case, being a part-vampire caused his genes or whatever to react oddly to the bite from Mr. Noodle, making him a dog instead.
Part of this theory also hinges on Mrs. Marlowe. I, for one, say that no matter how bad your eyesight is, you cannot miss Charby's GIANT RED BUGEYES. I believe that she knows who/what Charby is, and feels safe around him, possibly because of her relationship with the captain. I think this would also be why she permits Vic to live in her house, because of his grandfather.
Victor's grandfather being the captain is debatable, but if it is not the captain, then I think it must be another vampire or werewolf. These possibilities best explain all the crazy stuff that goes down with that family.
Alright, go ahead and say it: I'm crazy.
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Victor
Aug 2, 2009 10:29:08 GMT -5
Post by Waker on Aug 2, 2009 10:29:08 GMT -5
I don't think your crazy, but I posit an alternate theory. Though I can't identify the source, I believe that Victor possesses a talent to negate magic. You can see it in numerous instances where his physical contact stops magic or renders him physically equal to vampries. He was immune to Quixoto's mind control, he savagely beat down Quixoto and a random vampire in fisticuffs, he transformed Mye back into her zombie form when he kissed her and the werewolf curse didn't take hold on him, merely scarring his eye.
I highly doubt that the captain became a vampire, as he was quite dead when Charby began feeding on him. He could be the descendant of a relative, the captains brother or the like.
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Victor
Aug 2, 2009 14:35:49 GMT -5
Post by Odin on Aug 2, 2009 14:35:49 GMT -5
Alright my turn.
I agree with Vagus I doubt the captain was a vampire since he was headless and dead when he was fed on.
However I will not rule out there's something strange about Gramma and Vic. I think that Victor is a Dhampir myself. Being half breeds Dhampir's supernatural powers can manifest is several strange ways and they aren't necessarily reliant on blood for survival. Perhaps he has a power that somewhat negates magic but his kissing Mye isn't a good example of that since Zeno manages to accomplish the same thing himself.
As far as Grandma goes I don't have enough information to start theorizing her case.
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Victor
Aug 2, 2009 22:00:48 GMT -5
Post by doodlesthebear on Aug 2, 2009 22:00:48 GMT -5
While the captain's head being ripped off does kind of eliminate him, I still want him to be involved somehow. I dunno why.
But then what could the source of Vic's magic powers be? I would still hold that it's genetic, since his brother's got some wacky stuff going on with him too. And Odin, while I agree that it's possible Vic may be a Dhampir (but equally as possible he's something else), why would his power manifest as being able to negate other powers? We haven't seen evidence proving one way or the other how the powers of a dhampir manifest, specifically anyway.
The strangeness surrounding Vic has always bugged me, because we've had several clues but I don't think it's going to come to fruition anytime soon. That's what drove me to post my crazy, hole-filled theory.
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Victor
Aug 3, 2009 1:00:24 GMT -5
Post by Odin on Aug 3, 2009 1:00:24 GMT -5
Vic is a hard bug to pin down with facts because we rarely see him but we at least know he isn't human.
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Victor
Aug 5, 2009 17:45:24 GMT -5
Post by evergladelord on Aug 5, 2009 17:45:24 GMT -5
Maybe I missed something, but where is it said that Vic isn't human?
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Victor
Aug 5, 2009 19:07:15 GMT -5
Post by Waker on Aug 5, 2009 19:07:15 GMT -5
It isn't said anywhere that he isn't human. But just looking at the various feats he's performed, it seems like something is off. His strength and speed all seem like that of a normal human, but once he faces off against a vampire, suddenly the vampires strength seems lessened. Still no idea where the source of his talent would come from though.
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Victor
Aug 5, 2009 20:36:11 GMT -5
Post by evergladelord on Aug 5, 2009 20:36:11 GMT -5
Well, I'm in the dark on that too, but I'm pretty sure he's human. The Elites certainly treat him as one, and they seem like they'd know if he wasn't. I think he's just an exceptional human.
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Victor
Aug 5, 2009 22:44:21 GMT -5
Post by doodlesthebear on Aug 5, 2009 22:44:21 GMT -5
evergladelord, your possibility is one I hadn't really considered. But, to argue against you here, I would say that it's highly unprobable that he's just an 'exceptional human'. He has, not only immense speed and strength, but also the ability to negate magic (from what we can gather), and he has flashbacks or visions or something of being a wolf, I believe. There's too much evidence against his just being a human.
As for how the Elites treat him, regardless of what they know or don't know, they obviously give him special privileges. He has been aided by them several times (remember Nickelodeon and the pack of Mentos? aka the dog whistle?) and was allowed to sit in on their private Elite meeting. This could be do to his connection to Charby, and probably is, but he's more than just an everyday human to them. Either way, I don't think they would know if something was up with him. They may be 'Elite', but they're not all-knowing.
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Victor
Aug 5, 2009 23:21:59 GMT -5
Post by evergladelord on Aug 5, 2009 23:21:59 GMT -5
I don't think the elites are all-knowing, no, but I think they're perceptive enough and intelligent enough to determine whether or not he's human; to be fair, Zerlocke was the one who found him, and they may simply have not looked further into it than that.
I simply assumed the flashbacks were a nightmare; he's been attacked by a werewolf, and given that he's a hunter, turning into what he hunts would definitely be something to have nightmares about.
Also, while he's certainly above average, I've gotten the impression Vic usually does well because he's smart, not inhumanly strong or fast. We usually see him attacking someone when they aren't expecting it- Munchie bear when he went after Victoria, the vampire in the alleyway after Blaine's 'no fraternizing with the enemy' policy, Quixoto- and surprise can count a lot more than force in a fight.
The ability to negate magic/curses/demon powers is unexplained whether he's human or not, so I can't really address it very well, to be fair.
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Victor
Aug 6, 2009 22:45:41 GMT -5
Post by doodlesthebear on Aug 6, 2009 22:45:41 GMT -5
You brought up the vampire in the alleyway, which could actually make a counterpoint. He flattened that guy's face! And exploded it like a watermelon against the pavement! This indicates to me that something's up, as that seems to be disproportionately strong for his lean frame.
I'm curious, though, as to what you believe causes his ability to negate magic. If it is not because of something in his genes, do you have an alternative theory? I'm willing to consider it.
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Victor
Aug 7, 2009 9:32:03 GMT -5
Post by evergladelord on Aug 7, 2009 9:32:03 GMT -5
A human skull is strong, but if a nearly seven-foot man in good physical shape brings his foot down on it, hard, it will smash- and hitting the wall first didn't help. And while the head exploding was a bit suspect, Amelius did say that was mostly for effect.
I find genetics to be an odd source for something in a primarily magical setting. However, I don't really have an alternate theory. But even if it is genetic, it doesn't necessarily make Victor non-human. It could be a mutation of human genes, or he could simply be descended from a family that developed or somehow acquired the ability- they might not even have realized or admitted it, which would explain why Victor is in the dark about his own abilities.
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Victor
Aug 8, 2009 1:33:27 GMT -5
Post by Odin on Aug 8, 2009 1:33:27 GMT -5
You know reviewing the archives I dont think it's so much that he negates magic as he see's through it. While the werewolf thing is a boon to this. We've seen him pluck Tony's hat off his head while Tony was invisible. It's something strange to think one can see beyond the changing of ones pigments to allow for light to pass though them.
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Victor
Aug 8, 2009 21:59:25 GMT -5
Post by evergladelord on Aug 8, 2009 21:59:25 GMT -5
That's a good alternative theory. Any ideas why he wouldn't be a werewolf in that case though?
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Victor
Aug 9, 2009 1:30:30 GMT -5
Post by Odin on Aug 9, 2009 1:30:30 GMT -5
He's already a magical creature maybe? -shrug-
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Victor
Mar 1, 2011 3:18:29 GMT -5
Post by the1truesushiboy on Mar 1, 2011 3:18:29 GMT -5
My theory is intricate. Well, actually, I have several, but my primary theory is the most complex. Yes, I defy Occam's razor, and, in all honest, it's a work in progress, but certain details hint at things... things that haven't gone unnoticed. Firstly, I do believe he is a dhampir, for the reasons listed above. But I don't think it's that he "cancels out" magic, per say, but that his own innate magic is preventing him from becoming victim to that of others. I'm convinced that Annabelle has some direct connection to vampires in some way. Less likely to be an elite connection, but 'tis possible. Victor's similarity to Captain Robert is not lost on me either. There is an extremely high likelihood that it is indicative of a connection. I'd guess they are related somehow. But keeping lineage in mind, we know that none of the pirates were his father, but he was chosen specifically to survive. Why? Well, I'm working on this one. My most convoluted theory is that Charby is the son of Robert's brother and that Vic is the descendant of either of these two brothers, making Charby and Vic "brothers" in an entirely new way. Unfortunately, this seems to put a damper on the "dhampir" theory. Like I said, though, it's my most convoluted explanation, and only for that one detail; just a part of the whole. Another theory is that(keeping Vic related to the pirates) he is a descendant of one of the crewmembers that survived the attack, and stuied magic, so as to hunt vampires. This could give Vic his "magic" blood. My main issue is connecting Vic to Captain Robert through lineage while having him be part vampire. I'm 99.99% sure that the captain didn't become a vampire(seriously the chances are one in ten thousand). But, of course, then there's the elites to consider. The elites are vulnerable to Q's psychic ability, so Vic's likely not related to them. I'd say the vampire in his heritage had psychic abilities too. Now, despite my previous speculation, I have doubts about any relationship Charby and Vic may have, through blood. In fact, I have doubts about Charby being related to any of the pirates' families, but then why should he live? Random chance? I doubt it. So much doubt I have of my own ponderings... Most of my theory is inconsistent with itself, but I'm working to fix it up. It's more of a conglomeration of possibilities, some of which might fit together, but not with the rest.
Other theories include Vic coming from a vampire hunting family and not knowing, Mrs. Marlowe being a vampire (possibly why Charby's psychic power didn't work on her), and Vic being cursed/ having a spell on him he is unaware of.
Like I said, though... I'm still thinking, but I'm also not piecing it together in a logical order of thought, so it may come of as a jumbled mess. And I'm leaving out some off tangent stuff.
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Victor
Mar 1, 2011 17:53:12 GMT -5
Post by nightreflection on Mar 1, 2011 17:53:12 GMT -5
I'm a bit bugged by the genetic theory - Vic's parents looked pretty normal. Grandma is pretty tough, but that may just be for effect, if not, did it skip a generation? Amy has not mentioned any dhampirs yet, so it could be, but that doesn't explain how Hector gets off scot free. Perhaps something magical happened when he was young or pre-birth, magic absorbtion like Menu's sire. Or perhaps it's a non-dominant gene, to use a get-out-of-jail-free card on my first comment. Sadly, the captain could not reproduce even if he was a vampire - only vampires at birth can do that, not spawn. Not sure about elites, I think it was mentioned not them either. Curious about N possibly being the captain though, Quixoto may have found him and screwed his head back on after Charby left. The delay could explain N's rotted features.
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Victor
Mar 1, 2011 21:36:52 GMT -5
Post by the1truesushiboy on Mar 1, 2011 21:36:52 GMT -5
I doubt N is the captain. In fact, I doubt he's alive in any way at all. He's been listed on comixpedia as deceased...
If it is at all genetic, I think it would be that Mrs. Marlowe was married to a vampire. Their son married Vic's mom, making Vic one quarter vampire. But that's one theory. We do know that dhampirs exist in the universe of CTV, but have yet to see a confirmed example. This is another reason I believe Vic is likely to be one. However, the fact that he'd attracted magic for all his life may point to something else entirely, but from what I know, I can only name the dhampir as a possibility.
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Victor
Mar 2, 2011 16:42:48 GMT -5
Post by ihonestlydontknow on Mar 2, 2011 16:42:48 GMT -5
Well, Amelius said that Charby is the son of a noble couple that the pirates found. As for WHY the captain chose that specific couple's son to be his replacement is anyone's guess. I do like the idea of Charby and Vic being somehow related.
And I must say that there is a good three HUNDERED years between Charby's death and Vic's birth. Depending on which country Vic and/or Charby came from, there is a VERY good chance that they could be related. 300 years is like 9-10 generations (depending on how you count) and there are a lot of branches on that family tree. Same kind of idea with the magical blood. There are a lot of chances for some kind of non-human blood to slip in there, and the chances get higher with every generation of Vic's family that have been living in Kellwood, due to all the magical goings-on and whatnot.
I also can't throw out the theory of Vic being related to one of the pirates. Those guys DID visit ports. And did a lot of -ahem- pirate things with women.
This of course means that there is no real reason that Vic can't have roots in all three of these crazy family trees, since we can't rule out any of these posibilities without more information.
It is fun to argue about though~
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Victor
Mar 2, 2011 22:45:59 GMT -5
Post by the1truesushiboy on Mar 2, 2011 22:45:59 GMT -5
Indeed. Debate is a good thing to have here. But I absolutely have to ask now, where did Amy say he was from a noble family? I don't recall every being given this info. Perhaps it's in the depths of the forum somewhere?
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Victor
Mar 3, 2011 22:23:45 GMT -5
Post by ihonestlydontknow on Mar 3, 2011 22:23:45 GMT -5
That is exactly the case. I found it on one of the 'bio' pages, I believe. I'm going to say that there is a chance I have mis-read it, since that has been known to happen, but I don't know... I would double-check something like that, I'd think... Jumping to a former topic, I'd vote that Vic has some kind of resistance to magic; he didn't get changed by the werewolf, and Amelius hinted that he might could see through Tony's invisibleness but, well... there is this page: www.drunkduck.com/Charby_the_Vampirate/index.php?p=395304On the third panel there's that glint in Vic's bad eye, and then we get what I assume to be the memories that Q is showing to Charby, only from Vic's veiwpoint. And then later, in a page I'm too lazy to find right now, Charby is revelling in the pain Victor delt out that night, while Vic himself is complaining of a huge headache 'What kicked me... was it a MOOSE? I need an asprin the size of a dinner plate'. I never saw him get hit, so I'm assuming that it's from the whatever it was on the page 'Big Darn Hero'.
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Victor
Mar 4, 2011 4:23:21 GMT -5
Post by the1truesushiboy on Mar 4, 2011 4:23:21 GMT -5
Just read the bios thing. I had before, but forgot. *facepalm*
I can't say I recall that. Curse my bad memory! CURSE YOU!!! But are you sure about when it happened?
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Victor
Mar 4, 2011 4:31:54 GMT -5
Post by Odin on Mar 4, 2011 4:31:54 GMT -5
And I must say that there is a good three HUNDERED years between Charby's death and Vic's birth. Depending on which country Vic and/or Charby came from, there is a VERY good chance that they could be related. 300 years is like 9-10 generations (depending on how you count) and there are a lot of branches on that family tree. 328 years to be exact. Charby died in the year 1654 and Victor was born 1982. also for those curious Victor is 22 so the year is 2004.
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Victor
Mar 4, 2011 22:45:52 GMT -5
Post by the1truesushiboy on Mar 4, 2011 22:45:52 GMT -5
Good to know.
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Victor
Mar 5, 2011 0:19:37 GMT -5
Post by Odin on Mar 5, 2011 0:19:37 GMT -5
indeed.
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Victor
Mar 6, 2011 14:49:22 GMT -5
Post by ihonestlydontknow on Mar 6, 2011 14:49:22 GMT -5
OOH! OOH! -raises hand- I remembered that it was 2004 from Vikki's tombstone! Do I get a gold star? I remember the randomest things...
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Victor
Mar 6, 2011 19:59:09 GMT -5
Post by Odin on Mar 6, 2011 19:59:09 GMT -5
no you gets a platinum star.
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Victor
Mar 6, 2011 21:36:36 GMT -5
Post by ihonestlydontknow on Mar 6, 2011 21:36:36 GMT -5
YAY! -dance of glee-
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Victor
Mar 6, 2011 22:15:00 GMT -5
Post by the1truesushiboy on Mar 6, 2011 22:15:00 GMT -5
And you get 2,500 trivia points. They're redeemable for gold stars, thumb ups, high fives, fist bumps, and interwebs cookies.
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Victor
Mar 7, 2011 17:32:53 GMT -5
Post by ihonestlydontknow on Mar 7, 2011 17:32:53 GMT -5
FIST BUMP!
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